As a professional “commercial” tax
return preparer, regardless of where I live or practice, if I want to be able
to prepare New York state income tax returns for compensation, and I am not a
CPA, attorney, or Enrolled Agent (EA), I must register with the state of New
York, pay a $100 fee, and receive a “New York Tax Preparer Registration
Identification Number”, much like I had to register with the IRS, pay a fee,
and receive a Preparer Tax Identification Number (PTIN). The $100 fee to NY State is due each year to
renew my authority to prepare NY returns, just as the IRS charges an annual fee
to renew my PTIN.
Before 2015 there was no CPE or
testing requirement for registration.
You just had to pay the annual $100 fee.
I recovered this expense by charging each of the 20 or so clients for
whom I prepared a NY resident or non-resident individual income tax return
(IT-201 or IT-203) $5.00, which I separately identified on my invoice as “NY
State Tax Preparer Extortion Fee Surcharge”.
But now, in order to renew my
authority to prepare 2015 NY State returns, I not only have to pay $100, but I
also must complete a special 4-hour program of continuing education. I qualify for the limited 4-hour program
because I have prepared ten or more New York State personal income tax returns
during the years 2011, 2012, and 2013.
All other preparers must complete a 16-hour program.
While it is obvious why Enrolled
Agents are exempt from the required CPE, there is no reason why CPAs and
attorneys who want to prepare NY State tax returns should also be exempt. If New York is sincerely concerned about
assuring the competence and currency of tax preparers they should expand the
CPE, and eventual testing, requirements to CPAs and attorneys. A recent post from Jason Dinesen that I will
reference in tomorrow’s BUZZ installment highlights the fact that CPAs make at
least as many errors on tax returns as “unenrolled” preparers. CPAs and attorneys were only exempt from the $100
annual extortion fee because the state already got a registration fee out of
them.
The State of New York is the only
authorized provider of the 4-hour requirement, and the 16-hour one for new
preparers. And they are currently only
offered online. I tried for a long time
to register online for the 4-hour program, but without any success.
When I was finally able to gain access
to the registration for the webinars the process was easy. This was actually my first experience with
online webinars. Looked at objectively
the presentations and content were more than satisfactory. But looking at them in terms of substantive
continuing education value is another thing altogether.
While I had originally preferred to
attend an actual live seminar, as it turned out, considering the content and
methodology, I was much happier satisfying the requirement online. I have no problem whatsoever taking 4 hours
of NY State CPE via free online webinars of this kind each year, as long as
they provide 3 1/3 hours of substantive continuing education value (a CPE hour
is traditionally 50 minutes of actual content).
The required four hours consisted of
5 separate webinars –
·
Overview
of Preparer Role and State Oversight (20 minutes)
·
Federal
Update (1 hour)
·
New
York State Tax Law Update (1 hour)
·
Common
Errors (1/2 hour)
·
Standards
of Conduct and Penalties (the longest session - 1 hour 10 minutes)
I “took”
the sessions in two separate “sittings” of approximately 2 hours each. I was indeed pleased that it could be done in
parts at my leisure.
There are a series of multiple
choice review questions asked after each session. However this is not a “test”, but a review of
the material covered. The answer is only
recorded once you get it correct. If
your first choice is wrong you are told so and can continue until you get it
right before proceeding. I was very
pleased with this process and found that it is actually better for
comprehension of the material.
And after each presentation one can
print out a Certificate of Completion.
Before printing you are asked for your full name and “OLS User ID”,
which is printed on the certificate. I
had absolutely no idea what my “OLS User ID” was – so I entered my New York Tax
Preparer Registration Identification Number.
It did not reject the number, so I guess it was ok.
To be perfectly honest all of the
four-hours of sessions were a total waste of my time. They were either redundant or unnecessary or
covered the wrong year. Thankfully there
was no charge or related out-of-pocket expense (such as travel) involved (other
than the annual $100 registration fee).
The overview was basically an
explanation of the NY State tax preparer registration program. Of no substantive value as continuing
education.
The federal update component is redundant
and a true waste of time for me, and for any serious and responsible tax
preparer who is already taking federal update CPE elsewhere. The federal update class I sat through is
actually a total waste of time for all
preparers – as it concerned changes, mostly the inflation adjusted numbers,
for tax year 2014 and NOT 2015. I could have been watching an episode of
“Hart to Hart” on the “Hallmark Movies and Mysteries” cable channel instead!
The New York State update webinar
was obviously the only one with any potential continuing education value for
me. Unfortunately it, too, was an update
for tax year 2014 and NOT 2015. Another total waste of my time. I will have to wait until January 2016 to
learn what’s new for NY State for 2015 from Kathryn Keane at the NJ-NATP
annual “Famous State Tax Seminar”. I did
actually learn a few new things – but they were general information items and
nothing that would actually affect any of my existing NY State filers (I do not
accept any new clients – so I really don’t need to know this new stuff and it
was of no real value to me). The
presentation also covered some corporate, estate, and trust items, which is
fine but of no value to me (I do not prepare NY State corporation, estate, or
trust returns).
A common error component is not a
bad idea, but the errors discussed were basic and mostly of a procedural nature. The session did not cover detailed specific
tax law errors. While of no real
substantive value as continuing education for me, it was an adequate basic
review.
The Standards of Conduct and
Penalties section was the ethics class. As
noted above, this was the longest of the 5 presentations. It was a total waste of time – with no
substantive continuing education value for me.
How many times do I have to say this – forcing a crooked (or ethically-challenged) tax preparer to sit through
annual redundant ethics preaching ain’t going to turn him/her honest! This session repeated much of the discussion
from the overview component, and there were also redundancies within the presentation. Unfortunately I already have to sit through
at least 2 hours of federal redundant ethics preaching each year (not because I
am required to, but because most providers of day-long federal CPE update
presentations feel they have to include ethics preaching) – this just added to
the number of hours lost to me that I will never get back again.
It seems obvious to me that
preparers who are required to take the 4-hour program should be allowed to use
CPE from other qualified providers to satisfy the update (at least federal) and
ethics components. I take a the NATP
8-hour year-end Essential 1040 federal tax update each year, and attend the
NJ-NATP “Famous State Tax Seminar” each January, which usually includes at
least 1 CPE of NY state tax updates.
And, of course, as mentioned above, just about every CPE offering
includes redundant ethics preaching. My
attendance at these offerings should be able to satisfy most of the 4-hour
requirements so I do not have to waste my time sitting through the state’s
redundant online sessions. While there
is no charge to take the NYS sessions online – my time is worth money!
So, having totally wasted 3+ hours
of my valuable time, now all I have to do is send my $100 to New York in
December. Along with my annual PTIN
renewal fee this is the business expense that I hate paying the most.
At some point in the next 3 years it
appears that I must pass a NY State “competency” test. As with the now dead IRS RTRP regulation
regime, I feel that, as a veteran preparer of NY State returns, I should
receive a “grandfather” exemption from this test. But that is not going to happen. I am, however, glad that I will be able to
take the test free of charge (?) online on my home office computer.
I would be interested in hearing the
thoughts of my fellow tax professionals on this subject.
And I would hope New York tax
professionals with the proper contacts will pass this post on to their
colleagues and appropriate members of the NY Department of Taxation and
Finance.
TTFN
10 comments:
Please let us know the response you get from the NY Department of Taxation and Finance after you send this to them.
I agree with everything that you said, except to add an additional wrinkle. I am a NY State preparer and do prepare more than 400 returns, so don't mind the process EXCEPT, I have spent more hours on the phone with the ON Line Services people to get my on line service account to recognize that I qualify for the 4 hour course (1 hour) to get the 4 hour course to actually load (another hour) and today when I tried to actually take the second part of the course it wouldn't load again so another hour trying to play with it to make it load. I can't call the ONS today because it is Veterans Day and they are closed, so another 2 hours lost and I haven't even taken the course yet!!! I started this process in August..... they keep telling me they don't understand why the system isn't working for me, I'd have been better off taking a live course which I also do, but that one doesn't count!
I am having the same frustrating problem in that none of the courses that I took including the mandated 4 hour CPE curriculum plus optional courses don't upload into Certifications and therefore I can't register for a 2016 NYS EFIN. I have spent hours on the phone with them with no avail and now they tell me that they are sending a technical support ticket in and I won't hear back for another 7-10 days.
Is there something that you or they did that allowed the system to update that I can do from here? Also, Anonymous above stated that he used his NYS Registration number for the UserID number with his name after completing each course. I used my Username, not my Registration number. However each time I spoke with someone they said that they could see that I completed the courses and had a completion certificate and don't understand why it is not migrating to the Certifications and registration page.
Anything you can do to help would be appreciated. My email is a.j.powers@tax-power.com. THanks, Andy Powers
AJP (aka Anon) -
It was some time now since I wasted 4 hours on the online CPE and submitted my registration application and received my Tax Preparer Certificate of Registration for 1/1-12/31/2016 from NYS. I do not recall if I did anything special - I just followed the instructions.
Sorry - but I do not know what to tell you.
Can anyone else out there provide any help?
TWTP
I recently completed the 16-hour "2016 Registration Education Requirements" set of courses so I could register as a paid preparer for the 1st time. I was able to print my certificate and all of the course were marked as Completed. However, when I attempted to register and obtain my ID I received a pop-up window at the end of the registration process that said "Our records indicate you have not completed your mandatory tax preparer education requirements."
Way to go, NY. My only recourse now is to call a number in Albany and try to get it resolved.
To "anonymous" above: It takes a few hours (or more) before you can register. You just have to wait.
It now says on NY page that the online education link is not working and we can use last year's PTIN number without penalty until after February 1st, which is of course the busiest time of the year for most NY income tax preparers. This is absolutely crazy to require something and then be out of service for more than a month in allowing the process to be completed.
Thanks for your blog. Upon reading the requirements I think getting your EA is much easier than this. As an EA in California, I'm glad I have mine in cases like this.
I am not a lawyer but would like to know how the NYS Tax Preparer Requirements are constitutional when the same program by thefeds was deemed unconstitutional?
Has anyone filed or will file a lawsuit against NYS?
I believe the Federal requirements were not legal as the IRS did not have authority to expand Circular 230 practice regulations to unenrolled preparers. The authority for the IRS to regulate practice via Circular 230, is based on statute, so whatever that statute allows the IRS can regulate, but whatever the statute does not allow the IRS could not regulate. With regard to NYS, I believe these requirements are via statute, which means that the law says NYS can regulate the practice. This is the key difference (i.e. there was no federal law allowing the IRS to regulate practice of unenrolled preparer whereas there is state law allowing NYS to regulate preparers).
Btw, I am a CPA and we are already subject to mandatory CPE (40 hours per year) which includes an ethics requirement.
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